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	<title>Comments on: I Can See You: Being in the Public Eye</title>
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		<title>By: MOM</title>
		<link>http://www.3greenfish.net/2007/11/14/i-can-see-you-being-in-the-public-eye/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>MOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two cents:  I loved this duology of Bujold's and thought it was a wonderful confluence of the two genres. I am looking forward to your review of the second book. Now it's time to review one of Jack McDevitt's books and one of Carl Hiaasen and maybe they will visit your site!  ~  love MOM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two cents:  I loved this duology of Bujold&#8217;s and thought it was a wonderful confluence of the two genres. I am looking forward to your review of the second book. Now it&#8217;s time to review one of Jack McDevitt&#8217;s books and one of Carl Hiaasen and maybe they will visit your site!  ~  love MOM</p>
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		<title>By: c1</title>
		<link>http://www.3greenfish.net/2007/11/14/i-can-see-you-being-in-the-public-eye/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>c1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob: I totally understand the feeling. I just returned two books to my grandfather that I'd borrowed from him to read about a decade ago. I would never have thought that having too much assigned reading would make me less interested in fun reading, but it happens! Fortunately, reading in my academic life has slowed down just enough that I do have the urge to read fun things, and sometimes even have the time. :)

Anyway, for that time in your life several years from now when you have time to try out Bujold books, I recommend the Vorkosigan series. Everyone in my family read them in the order she wrote them, which I personally think is a fun way to take in the story in the same sequence she felt the need to create it. This means that until the later books, they're not actually in chronological order in terms of the story (but it really doesn't matter). So I would start with "Shards of Honor," then "The Warrior's Apprentice," which actually *are* in chronological order, and which get you to Miles, who much of the rest of the series focuses on (and who is one of those memorable and fabulous characters that you can't get enough of). If you like those, then I can fill you in on the rest.

So put 'em on your list, and someday let us know what you think. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob: I totally understand the feeling. I just returned two books to my grandfather that I&#8217;d borrowed from him to read about a decade ago. I would never have thought that having too much assigned reading would make me less interested in fun reading, but it happens! Fortunately, reading in my academic life has slowed down just enough that I do have the urge to read fun things, and sometimes even have the time. <img src='http://www.3greenfish.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, for that time in your life several years from now when you have time to try out Bujold books, I recommend the Vorkosigan series. Everyone in my family read them in the order she wrote them, which I personally think is a fun way to take in the story in the same sequence she felt the need to create it. This means that until the later books, they&#8217;re not actually in chronological order in terms of the story (but it really doesn&#8217;t matter). So I would start with &#8220;Shards of Honor,&#8221; then &#8220;The Warrior&#8217;s Apprentice,&#8221; which actually *are* in chronological order, and which get you to Miles, who much of the rest of the series focuses on (and who is one of those memorable and fabulous characters that you can&#8217;t get enough of). If you like those, then I can fill you in on the rest.</p>
<p>So put &#8216;em on your list, and someday let us know what you think. <img src='http://www.3greenfish.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: 3 Green Fish</title>
		<link>http://www.3greenfish.net/2007/11/14/i-can-see-you-being-in-the-public-eye/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>3 Green Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lois: Thanks for the reassurance! Honestly, more than anything else this whole experience has been a fascinating window into the inner workings of my own mind. It's not often that I get to see my own thinking processes and convoluted logic laid out so clearly in front of me, and it's always interesting to see how one's mind can blow things completely out of proportion.

While I'm a little embarrassed to admit that before Beguilement I'd only ever read your Miles universe books, I really wasn't expecting Beguilement to be one. It has its own flavor and characters, and those are good things. I can become just as attached to certain characters as the next guy, but I like to see authors branch out in new directions and offer up new characters to enjoy.

It's interesting to learn that you really consider the duology "one book" -- I had an inkling of that when I read the first one. Legacy is on my reading stack right now, and I'm looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lois: Thanks for the reassurance! Honestly, more than anything else this whole experience has been a fascinating window into the inner workings of my own mind. It&#8217;s not often that I get to see my own thinking processes and convoluted logic laid out so clearly in front of me, and it&#8217;s always interesting to see how one&#8217;s mind can blow things completely out of proportion.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m a little embarrassed to admit that before Beguilement I&#8217;d only ever read your Miles universe books, I really wasn&#8217;t expecting Beguilement to be one. It has its own flavor and characters, and those are good things. I can become just as attached to certain characters as the next guy, but I like to see authors branch out in new directions and offer up new characters to enjoy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to learn that you really consider the duology &#8220;one book&#8221; &#8212; I had an inkling of that when I read the first one. Legacy is on my reading stack right now, and I&#8217;m looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois McMaster Bujold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois McMaster Bujold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google search, for writers, has much the same effect as mirrors do on unicorns.  Captures their attention...  I trust my wandering through here won't prove too scary.  It's not meant to be.  

Let me reassure you, your review was just fine; I merely linked it because it was an especially clear example of one of the two reading-stances the books were trying to blend.  (The one of _Legacy_ from, iirc, Coffeetime was an especially clear example of the other extreme.)  I'm not up for a long essay this morning, but some of "What the heck was she thinking?" may be found in this interview:

 http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/41673-chronicles-interview-with-lois-mcmaster-bujold.html

Main point I want to make is that with _Beguilement_, you've only read half the book.  _Legacy_ starts with, effectively, Ch. 20 of the book-as-a-whole.  TSK won't turn into a Miles book no matter how long you keep reading, but you really do need to read both halves before deciding whether it works for you or not as either romance or fantasy (or both, or neither).

Carry on...

bests, Lois.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google search, for writers, has much the same effect as mirrors do on unicorns.  Captures their attention&#8230;  I trust my wandering through here won&#8217;t prove too scary.  It&#8217;s not meant to be.  </p>
<p>Let me reassure you, your review was just fine; I merely linked it because it was an especially clear example of one of the two reading-stances the books were trying to blend.  (The one of _Legacy_ from, iirc, Coffeetime was an especially clear example of the other extreme.)  I&#8217;m not up for a long essay this morning, but some of &#8220;What the heck was she thinking?&#8221; may be found in this interview:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/41673-chronicles-interview-with-lois-mcmaster-bujold.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/41673-chronicles-interview-with-lois-mcmaster-bujold.html</a></p>
<p>Main point I want to make is that with _Beguilement_, you&#8217;ve only read half the book.  _Legacy_ starts with, effectively, Ch. 20 of the book-as-a-whole.  TSK won&#8217;t turn into a Miles book no matter how long you keep reading, but you really do need to read both halves before deciding whether it works for you or not as either romance or fantasy (or both, or neither).</p>
<p>Carry on&#8230;</p>
<p>bests, Lois.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested, but I should warn you, even books I'm interested in go on the "to read" list for a while. I'm still working on books I started almost a decade ago. What can I say? Forced reading of thousands of pages every quarter makes me want to do anything but during my free time if it even begins to feel like an obligation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested, but I should warn you, even books I&#8217;m interested in go on the &#8220;to read&#8221; list for a while. I&#8217;m still working on books I started almost a decade ago. What can I say? Forced reading of thousands of pages every quarter makes me want to do anything but during my free time if it even begins to feel like an obligation.</p>
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		<title>By: c1</title>
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		<dc:creator>c1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I use too many smiley faces)</description>
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		<title>By: c1</title>
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		<dc:creator>c1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true - you don't want to go into a new discussion board all defensive-like. Not good manners. :) And you're right, Bujold just used your review as an example of a skiffy-as-opposed-to-a-romance-novel-reader review, which is indeed what you are. I was thinking it might be more interesting to post on that board in an effort to start a discussion, rather than defend your review. Meaning, you go in and say, this was a really interesting point (because the comparison really was), and it got you to thinking about why you read the book the way you did, and maybe compare it to your reactions upon reading some of her non-romance books. I don't know - it just seems like it would be cool to have a discussion with her. :)

Jacob: Bujold is one of those writers whose books you can pick up to start, and before you know it, it's 3 o'clock in the morning and you've read the entire thing through without looking up because you get so immersed in the story. Poor writing (or even mediocre writing) pulls me out of the story and makes me notice the language being used. With Bujold's books, I have to actively think about noticing the writing to see how she does it, because it flows so well I hardly even notice I'm reading. She's one of my very favorite authors, and I've read books by a lot of people. :) Go forth and try! (Curtis or I could point you in the right direction for where to start, if you are actually interested)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true - you don&#8217;t want to go into a new discussion board all defensive-like. Not good manners. <img src='http://www.3greenfish.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> And you&#8217;re right, Bujold just used your review as an example of a skiffy-as-opposed-to-a-romance-novel-reader review, which is indeed what you are. I was thinking it might be more interesting to post on that board in an effort to start a discussion, rather than defend your review. Meaning, you go in and say, this was a really interesting point (because the comparison really was), and it got you to thinking about why you read the book the way you did, and maybe compare it to your reactions upon reading some of her non-romance books. I don&#8217;t know - it just seems like it would be cool to have a discussion with her. <img src='http://www.3greenfish.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jacob: Bujold is one of those writers whose books you can pick up to start, and before you know it, it&#8217;s 3 o&#8217;clock in the morning and you&#8217;ve read the entire thing through without looking up because you get so immersed in the story. Poor writing (or even mediocre writing) pulls me out of the story and makes me notice the language being used. With Bujold&#8217;s books, I have to actively think about noticing the writing to see how she does it, because it flows so well I hardly even notice I&#8217;m reading. She&#8217;s one of my very favorite authors, and I&#8217;ve read books by a lot of people. <img src='http://www.3greenfish.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Go forth and try! (Curtis or I could point you in the right direction for where to start, if you are actually interested)</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missing balls is nothing new for me. On the other hand, having to prove or disprove normal group coset isomorphisms in cyclic subgroups is. Now that we've shown the trivial case, the the legitimacy of that excuse is left as an exercise for the reader.*

*:This is what we call "humor" in mathematics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missing balls is nothing new for me. On the other hand, having to prove or disprove normal group coset isomorphisms in cyclic subgroups is. Now that we&#8217;ve shown the trivial case, the the legitimacy of that excuse is left as an exercise for the reader.*</p>
<p>*:This is what we call &#8220;humor&#8221; in mathematics.</p>
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		<title>By: 3 Green Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 Green Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>c1: Well, I did think about posting a response on the message board, but there's a problem with that. I'm not really sure what I'd say, and I had a hard enough time trying to write this post without becoming all defensive about what I'd written (you'll notice that I didn't entirely succeed there, either). It would be quite easy to go there and start making an ass of myself saying "you don't understand me at all!!!" or something, and I really don't want to do that. So maybe in a week or two when I can present a more level response. I'm still a little jittery from the whole "Lois McMaster Bujold read my review of her book" thing!

Kathryn: I'm not sure I deserve such praise, but thanks for the compliment! I'm glad you like the site.

Jacob: Sorry man, but I think you missed the ball here on a couple points. My comment spam has reduced almost to nil without any action. What I'm talking about here is my email spam. You know, the "enlarge your member, refinance your home, and get free psychotropic medication while you're at it!" kind of spam. In my inbox. So Akismet isn't really going to help.

Honestly, the whole Bujold thing? I'd wager that all the angst is in my own head. She didn't really attack my review, just used it as an example of a review that focused on the "skiffy" side of things, rather than the romantic aspect. It wasn't exactly like she lashed out at me. All the drama pretty much came from my reaction to realizing that she'd actually read it. I'm leaving the review as it is not because I feel it's a way to stand up to her, but because I have to be honest and really say what's on my mind any time I write a review. That's the problem with writing reviews as a non-professional: while I'm learning, I don't have the experience to always see things from their intended perspectives. I'm going to miss things. Case in point: My  Halo 3 review. That game wasn't made for people like me, who really like single-player games and strong storylines -- it was made for the people who will log hundreds of hours online in multiplayer matches. I'm never going to be the perfect reviewer, but my intention has always been to simply present my opinion as a semi-normal person. All things considered, when you look at the other "skiffy" reviews mine seems the most reasonable (and positive) of the bunch.

As for your final comment... well, let's just say that while there are authors whose books I've picked up and thought, "I could write better than that," Bujold has never been one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c1: Well, I did think about posting a response on the message board, but there&#8217;s a problem with that. I&#8217;m not really sure what I&#8217;d say, and I had a hard enough time trying to write this post without becoming all defensive about what I&#8217;d written (you&#8217;ll notice that I didn&#8217;t entirely succeed there, either). It would be quite easy to go there and start making an ass of myself saying &#8220;you don&#8217;t understand me at all!!!&#8221; or something, and I really don&#8217;t want to do that. So maybe in a week or two when I can present a more level response. I&#8217;m still a little jittery from the whole &#8220;Lois McMaster Bujold read my review of her book&#8221; thing!</p>
<p>Kathryn: I&#8217;m not sure I deserve such praise, but thanks for the compliment! I&#8217;m glad you like the site.</p>
<p>Jacob: Sorry man, but I think you missed the ball here on a couple points. My comment spam has reduced almost to nil without any action. What I&#8217;m talking about here is my email spam. You know, the &#8220;enlarge your member, refinance your home, and get free psychotropic medication while you&#8217;re at it!&#8221; kind of spam. In my inbox. So Akismet isn&#8217;t really going to help.</p>
<p>Honestly, the whole Bujold thing? I&#8217;d wager that all the angst is in my own head. She didn&#8217;t really attack my review, just used it as an example of a review that focused on the &#8220;skiffy&#8221; side of things, rather than the romantic aspect. It wasn&#8217;t exactly like she lashed out at me. All the drama pretty much came from my reaction to realizing that she&#8217;d actually read it. I&#8217;m leaving the review as it is not because I feel it&#8217;s a way to stand up to her, but because I have to be honest and really say what&#8217;s on my mind any time I write a review. That&#8217;s the problem with writing reviews as a non-professional: while I&#8217;m learning, I don&#8217;t have the experience to always see things from their intended perspectives. I&#8217;m going to miss things. Case in point: My  Halo 3 review. That game wasn&#8217;t made for people like me, who really like single-player games and strong storylines &#8212; it was made for the people who will log hundreds of hours online in multiplayer matches. I&#8217;m never going to be the perfect reviewer, but my intention has always been to simply present my opinion as a semi-normal person. All things considered, when you look at the other &#8220;skiffy&#8221; reviews mine seems the most reasonable (and positive) of the bunch.</p>
<p>As for your final comment&#8230; well, let&#8217;s just say that while there are authors whose books I&#8217;ve picked up and thought, &#8220;I could write better than that,&#8221; Bujold has never been one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First order of business: Congratulations! You've broken into the blogging big leagues, at least for a short while.

Second major point: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Use &lt;a href="http://www.akismet.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Akismet&lt;/a&gt;. Since installing, I've had two spam messages make it as far as my moderation queue. The other 3,933 (to date)? Stopped cold in their tracks. And the number of legitimate messages trapped? Zero. Unless you really &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; wading through comment and pingback spam, I recommend it. I wouldn't want to deal with the 50 or so spam attempts I get per day.

Third: This is why it's prudent not to use your full name on your website, lest it come back to haunt you.

Fourth: Good for you for standing your ground. Bujold might be a famous author (although I've never heard of her), but she's just human. That means two things: her ego is just as vulnerable as yours or mine, and her word is worth just as much. So, she read your review and got her panties all twisted up because you didn't fall over it, and she lashed out at you somewhat. And so what? You don't &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to like her book, and you don't have to take her response as the Word of God. She's just a person, and just one writer. Maybe not as good a writer as you, even. But that remains to be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First order of business: Congratulations! You&#8217;ve broken into the blogging big leagues, at least for a short while.</p>
<p>Second major point: I&#8217;ve said it before, and I&#8217;ll say it again. Use <a href="http://www.akismet.com" rel="nofollow">Akismet</a>. Since installing, I&#8217;ve had two spam messages make it as far as my moderation queue. The other 3,933 (to date)? Stopped cold in their tracks. And the number of legitimate messages trapped? Zero. Unless you really <em>like</em> wading through comment and pingback spam, I recommend it. I wouldn&#8217;t want to deal with the 50 or so spam attempts I get per day.</p>
<p>Third: This is why it&#8217;s prudent not to use your full name on your website, lest it come back to haunt you.</p>
<p>Fourth: Good for you for standing your ground. Bujold might be a famous author (although I&#8217;ve never heard of her), but she&#8217;s just human. That means two things: her ego is just as vulnerable as yours or mine, and her word is worth just as much. So, she read your review and got her panties all twisted up because you didn&#8217;t fall over it, and she lashed out at you somewhat. And so what? You don&#8217;t <em>have</em> to like her book, and you don&#8217;t have to take her response as the Word of God. She&#8217;s just a person, and just one writer. Maybe not as good a writer as you, even. But that remains to be seen.</p>
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